Some facts regarding this xenophobia
Though he admits "that a similar deprecation of foreigners not only prevails among us and the Hindus, but is common to all nations towards each other", he is struck by the particularly extreme manifestation of this phenomenon in India :
...and the Hindus believe that there is no country but theirs, no nation like theirs...Their haughtiness is such that, if you tell them of any science or scholar in Kharasan and Persis, they will think you to be both an ignoramus and a liar. If they travelled and mixed with other nations, they would soon change their mind, for their ancestors were not as narrow minded as the present generation is... ( emphasis mine )
To justify this last comment, Al-Biruni quotes Varahamihira ( whose treatise on Astronomy the former had studied ), and I will quote that argument from here :
One of their scholars, Varahamihira, in a passage where he calls on the people to honor the Brahmins, says: "The Greeks, though impure, must be honored, since they were trained in sciences and therein excelled others. What, then, are we to say of a Brahmin, if he combines with his purity the height of science?" In former times, the Hindus used to acknowledge that the progress of science due to the Greeks is much more important than that which is due to themselves. But from this passage of Varahamihira alone you see what a self-lauding man he is, while he gives himself airs as doing justice to others....
See [footnote1] for my take on Al-Biruni's interpretation of Varahamihira.
One should note that the Greeks did benefit a lot from contact with other civilizations ( which was in turn facilitated by their military expeditions ). I don't know if the Romans had scientific achievements - e.g., I don't see any reference to Romans here. The Islamic mathematicians benefitted from their reading of Greek works, the renaissance dudes from their contact with Islamic civilizations and their study of Greek works etc. In India we seem to have lost scientifically benefitting from other civilizations at some point of time, though as regards arts etc. there are isolated instances like Jagannatha Pandita Raya some of whose Sanskrit works were influenced by Persian poetics, and some areas like Hindustani music and some paintings, crafts, architecture etc. We have suffered a lot for our insularity. One consequence was perhaps that, as Al-Biruni wrote :
The Greeks, however, had philosophers who, living in their country, discovered and worked out for them elements of science and not of popular superstition... Think of Socrates when he opposed the crowd of his nation...and...died faithful to the truth.
The Hindus had no men of this stamp both capable and willing to bring sciences to a classical perfection. Therefore, you mostly find that even the so-called scientific theorems of the Hindus are in a state of utter confusion, devoid of any logical order, and in the last instance always mixed up with the silly notions of the crowd...I can only compare their mathematical and astronomical literature, as far as I know it, to a mixture of pearl shells and sour dates, or of pearls and dung or of costly crystals and common pebbles. Both kinds of things are equal in their eyes, since they cannot raise themselves to the methods of a strictly scientific deduction
I suspect that some other civilizations including Al-Biruni's own, must have developed a better notion of rigor due to their exposure to Greek works.
Part 2 : Causes of our Xenophobia
To the leftist it is perhaps all about caste and related notions of superiority. However, Al-Biruni gives us more info, for instance he writes about Mahmud of Ghazni :
Mahmud utterly ruined the prosperity of the country, and performed there wonderful exploits, by which the Hindus became like atoms of dust scattered in all directions, and like a tale of old in the mouth of the people. Their scattered remains cherish, of course, the most inveterate aversion towards all Muslims.
It is well known that even before Islamist incursions there were various groups from west of India who came and attacked India. There are also instances when Indian kings went and conquered Kabul, Ghazni etc. but these seem to have happened less often. Why so? - as Ravikiran points out, the rather fertile Gangetic plain was a "greater prize" for kings in Afghanistan etc. than those forbidding regions were for kings in India. This is not to say that all of the motivation for people from west to attack India were economic, see [footnote 2]. I will qualify this with two comments :
(i) I don't really know if atrocities by Muslim invaders trumped those by invaders before them. However, considering a paragraph like :
When Muhammad Ibn Alkasim Ibn Almunabbih conquered Multan, he inquired how the town had become so very flourishing and so many treasures had there been accumulated, and then he found out that this idol was the cause, for there came pilgrims from all sides to visit it. Therefore, he thought it best to have the idol where it was, but he hung a piece of cow's flesh on its neck by way of mockery. On the same place a mosque was built. When then the Karmatians occupied Multan, Jalam Ibn Shaiban, the usurper, broke the idol into pieces and killed its priests.
I am inclined to believe Al-Biruni's statement :
...the repugnance of the Hindus against foreigners increased more and more when the Muslims began to make inroads into their country;..."
There must have been many religiously tolerant Muslim rulers, Al-Biruni says that the Muhammad Ibn Elkasim Ibn Elmunabbih who conquered Sindh left people to their ancient belief except in the case of those who wanted to be Muslims ( and if I know it right, upto independence, Sindh was a more or less peaceful region ). One should also note that the attackers before the Muslim ones got integrated somehow into the Hindu society and perhaps did not desecrate temples, and hence might have generated relatively lesser aversion.
(ii) There is also a cultural factor here : one of the surviving fragments written by ancient Greek historians quoting from Megasthenes' Indica says :
But, farther, there are usages observed by the Indians which contribute to prevent the occurrence of famine among them; for whereas among other nations it is usual, in the contests of war, to ravage the soil, and thus to reduce it to an uncultivated waste, among the Indians, on the contrary, by whom husbandmen are regarded as a class that is sacred and inviolable, the tillers of the soil, even when battle is raging in their neighbourhood, are undisturbed by any sense of danger, for the combatants on either side in waging the conflict make carnage of each other, but allow those engaged in husbandry to remain quite unmolested. Besides, they neither ravage an enemy's land with fire, nor cut down its trees.
[aside_rant] BTW I don't remember reading one historian who praised ancient Indians for this. This custom was one of the positive effects of caste system, I suppose. [/aside_rant]
In any case, if a civilization adheres to a policy like not "ravaging the soil" quite faithfully, and if a foreign civilization starts a trend to the contrary, it would be only surprising if the victimized civilization doesn't take to xenophobia on a large scale.
And finally, today, young Hindus seem to be over-correcting for their ancestors by excessive westernization.
footnote 1 : The sanskrit version of the quote of Varahamihira must be the one given here. If that is indeed the only original for this quote, either Al-Biruni's translation, or the English translation of Al-Biruni's work, is not quite on the spot because
(i) the sanskrit verse talks of a "daiva-vid" ( astrologer? ) brAhmaNa, not of brAhmaNa as one who has purity by default.
(ii) the word used for "impure" is mlEccha - the connotation for the term in Al-Biruni's mind may not quite be the same as the one in varAhamihira's mind. Perhaps varAhamihira was referring to a foreigner not acquainted with spirituality, and thinking that spiritual achievements are the most superior of all achievements - indeed that is what most spiritual people would think
(iii) the shlOka doesn't say that Greeks should be honoured - it says "Greeks are honored like Sages, because..." - which is indicative of much more tolerance.
footnote 2 : That Islamist fanaticism had nothing to do with invasions on India is simply not true. Al-Biruni writes :
This prince chose the holy war as his calling, and therefore called himself Al-ghazi ( i.e., warring on the road of Allah ). In the interest of his successors he constructed, in order to weaken the Indian frontier, those roads on which afterwords his son Yaminaddaula Mahmud marched into India during a period of thirty years and more. God be merciful to both father and son!
This may not mean Al-Biruni is a fanatic - his patron was this Mahmud dude, and that is perhaps ( or perhaps not ) why he wrote the above and other anti-Hindu quotes. But that Mahmud's father had a religious motivation in his conquests, is indeed clear.
Another side : Coming back to Ravikiran's point about the geographical reasons for why India was always attacked, I am quite surprised that conventions in the ancient Tamil society seem to indicate an understanding of a similar sociological awareness. In ancient tamizh poetry, settings for poetry were classified into five "tiNai"s or landscapes. This page gives some info on these, and it says about the "pAlai tiNai" or the desert landscape :
The palai, the dry sandy desert, can scarcely be considered as a subdivision of the habitable regions of the earth's surface. When drawn by the chase of the wild animals, the sturdy hunter would be compelled to make a temporary abode in the palai region. But the call of the desert finds an echo in the bosoms of those who are born with a love of adventure, and wander-lust is the main motive power that impels the lives of many men who possess strong sinews and a stout heart. The men who lived in the desert region for a short time or all their lives were Maravar,19 men of Maram,20 heroism, and Kalvar,21 the strong men, (from kal,22 strength, hence kaliru,23 the elephant, the strong animal par excellence, also the shark and kal,24 liquor, the strength-giver, and kalam,25 the field of battle). The palai region being infertile and its men being noted for prowess in arms, the maravar and the kallar took in later times the profession of soldiering and of preying on the rich but weakly inhabitants of other regions and maram has come to mean cruelty, and kallar, thieves.
It seems to me that, whether they got the reasoning right or not, the correlation between the geography of a place and the nature of its inhabitants must have been noticed by some of the ancient tamizh poets/scholars.
June 15 2008, 04:19:03 UTC 3 years ago
thanks a lot
i need to digest this better and then i'll get back to you with more productive comments
June 15 2008, 16:14:38 UTC 3 years ago
Anonymous
June 20 2008, 15:03:23 UTC 3 years ago
I got the site below from a forum.
http://islamoscope.wordpress.com/2008/05/3
It is probably similar in Kashmir, as was the case in other countries before. Now if Hindus mention of such incidents in a couple of decades (if not now), they will be called Hindu nationalists. What but hate and anger will be left in the hearts of these people? The idea always is "Do the crimes. Then just say "we cannot go back"." The simple reply is " 'forgive and forget' will not work. Return our lands (Kashmir, Bangladesh, Pakistan), compensate for the documented oppressions. India was Hindu land when your colonial thugs entered and it remains so. Accept that politically and personally."
Your point on the caste system is also nice. It has other such points that are more well known. Many dharmas of a varna are determined by the work done. This includes both allowances and restrictions. For instance, the Brahmana's dharma of strict abidance to minimalist lifestyle is not applicable to the Vaishya. It is also understood that a Vaishya being governed by capitalistic ideology may not yield to moral-conscience if it impedes his business: he may push down others to move himself up.
The puranas also give examples of how a Kshatriya for upholding his primary dharma of Protection may compromise personal/moral dharmas in critical circumstances. Classic examples in the Ramayana include Rama-Vali episode and Rama's asking Sita to prove her purity at the end. Mahabharatha has number of such examples. In the Mahabharatha, there is also the classic story of the Brahmana-crane-woman-butcher. It shows how each person doing their svadharma is great in their own place and can aspire for the highest.
The Brahmana also has allowances. Due to his minimalist lifestyle, where he should not earn through arbitrary work, among all the varnas, the Brahmana alone is allowed to beg for his sustenance, that too only to make-ends-meet.
Now the central idea is that the work I do is determined by Shastra based on my birth. Having born into this community, I am to take up this work as service to the community and to Ishvara. So the allowances I take and the restrictions I follow are both done for the sake of dharma and not for self. *I never chose my work.* For ex, I am not a Vaishya for my self-fulfillment: it is Ishvara's or Shastra's injunction that I fulfill through this work. And the Shastra allows (to a certain extent) that I can move forward in business in a business-like manner. Therefore I abide by that. By placing dharma in the middle, the work becomes sacred and liberating.
Prabhu
June 20 2008, 18:22:28 UTC 3 years ago
The Kashmir issue is more complex - the excerpt you quoted is misrepresenting the pUrvapakSha-view. They say, for instance, that Kashmiri Muslims have also suffered ( and in much larger numbers - but then the majority have been Muslims there ). However, I don't agree with that ( pUrvapakSha ) argument either, because that Kashmiri Pundits were targeted and attacked is true while I don't think Kashmiri Muslims were specifically targeted from among people of other religions.
About caste where did you get the following from :
It is also understood that a Vaishya being governed by capitalistic ideology may not yield to moral-conscience if it impedes his business: he may push down others to move himself up.
The other stuff you wrote about caste were nice but unfortunately most people, Hindus and non-Hindus included, don't seem to have the sensitivity to appreciate such things.
Anonymous
June 20 2008, 22:49:29 UTC 3 years ago
A trader, business-man, one who works with and for money, is in general involved in a capitalistic ideology to survive; and that ideology is based on competition which means if one businessman gets the customers, someone else will not. That I believe is understood in the Shastras as implicit, when they assign a special class for pursuing such work. The important point is that such a competitive mentality should not become the driving force for everyone; and even for Vaishyas, where necessary, it should be rooted in dharma of fulfilling Shastra-given work. That is their challenge, just as for a Kshatriya like Arjuna, his dharma required he overcome personal likes and dislikes in war.
I give some internet resources in a follow-up.
Prabhu
Anonymous
June 20 2008, 22:50:45 UTC 3 years ago
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Dhar
"" In some, Tamas [Rajas??] is predominant. They are Vaisyas or traders. They do business and agriculture and amass wealth. ... a Rajasic man with business tendencies is a Vaisya ... Agriculture, cattle-rearing and trade are the duties of the Vaisyas, born of (their own) nature. ... The Vaisyas were entrusted with the duty of supplying food for the nation and administering its economic welfare. ""
Now Sw. Sivananda stresses that character determines caste but is also aware that in practice birth determines caste. "Conduct and character count and not lineage alone." So as in the Mahabharatha, the emphasis is that a member of that varna should be true to the character necessary for that work. My statements are more in line with the kanchi paramacharya's lectures.
"" The principle behind this arrangement is that a man must do the work handed down to him from his forefathers - whatever such work be - with the conviction that it has been ordained by Isvara and that it is for the good of the world. The work he does in this spirit itself becomes a means of his inward advancement.""
- http://www.kamakoti.org/hindudharma/part
"" Before a man's individual character develops, he grows in a certain environment, the environment evolved through the vocation practiced in his family from generation to generation. He adopts this vocation and receives training in it from his people. It is in this manner that his guna is formed, and it is in keeping with his work. Everybody must have the conviction that he is benefited by the occupation to which he is born. When people in the past had this attitude in the past they were free from greed and feelings of rivalry. Besides, though they were divided on the basis of their vocations, there was harmony among them. Children born in such a set-up naturally develop a liking and aptitude for the family vocation. So what is practised according to birth came to be the same as that practised according to guna. Whatever the view of reformers today, in the old days an individual's ability to do a job was in accord with his guna; and in the dharma obtained in the past a man practised his calling according to his guna. Now it has become topsy-turvy. ""
- http://www.kamakoti.org/hindudharma/part
"" The Vaisya too serves society - to think that he takes home all the profit he makes is unfair. The lord speaks of the dharma of Vaisyas in the Gita. "Krsi-gauraksya-vanijyam Vaisya-karma svabhavajam." The third varna has three duties- raising the crops, cow protection and trading - and it carries them out for the welfare of all people. The Vaisya ploughs the field and grows crops for the benefit of the entire community. Similarly, the milk yielded by his cow is meant for general consumption and for sacrifices. A Vaisya must also take care to see that the calves have their feed of milk. As a trader he procures commodities from other places to be sold locally.
However rich a man may be, he cannot sustain himself with money alone. He has to depend on traders for essential goods. Trading is the dharma of Vaisyas and it is an offence on their part not to practise it. Similarly, Brahmins would be committing a sin if they gave up Vedic rituals and earned money by doing other types of work. It is wrong to think that the trader carries on his trade for his good alone. Just imagine what would happen if there were a hartal and all shops were closed for a week. Surely people would suffer when essential goods are not readily available. Vaisyas must conduct their business in the belief that their vocation is one that is ordained by the Lord and that is for the good for the entire community. ""
- http://www.kamakoti.org/hindudharma/part
Anonymous
June 21 2008, 03:00:13 UTC 3 years ago
1. The work and the guna/attitude necessary for the work.
2. The motivation for its pursuit.
Number 2. is the critical lever for the proper functioning of the caste system for individual and society. It is always "dharma", "Shastra", "Ishvara", or "family vocation"; that is the underlying basis for the person's occupation. That is how the individual takes up the job, and that is why the job is liberating and fulfilling irrespective of the 1.
If we believe the answer to 2. is "self-fulfillment" or "my happiness" for its own sake (the typical modern perspective), then the caste system looks devilish. For a. the flowchart links the Brahmana to Sattva, Sudra to Tamas, Vaishya/Kshatriya to Rajas; b. "Sattva is good" and "Tamas is bad"; c. the thing is birth-based and hence discriminatory.
The deeper understanding is that the work requires a certain guna for its practice, and that aspect overlies one's character. But this is a superficial layer, for when the motivation is channelized away from self and to dharma, the same light of inner freedom shines through the outer shell. The Kanchi acharya's description of the Vaishya and of villagers of old in general; the Mahabharatha characters like the butcher and the woman; and great puranic examples of Kshatriyas all highlight this fact. The center of our social system and outlook in life is DHARMA. If that is not understood, all is "topsy-turvy"... of course, this leads back to Lord Macaulay :-)
June 21 2008, 15:17:00 UTC 3 years ago
We will discuss more in person.
Anonymous
June 27 2008, 14:46:00 UTC 3 years ago
Perhaps I also make that mistake when I rant against foreign religions, am sure the Kanchi acharya won't approve the language. But there is the principle of tackling fire with fire lest it eat you up, knowing how to hiss lest you be beaten, and here documented history (continuing to present) shows that we are beaten for we never know how to hiss. Not by a sufi saint or A-su, but a mass manifest-potency of the religions that they *also* represent. And hiss/retaliate we must at the missionary or invader or stealer-of-our-lands/homes, intent upon overwhelming our native culture. It is not xenophobia; it is practicality in the face of historical proof of cultural destruction, at the hands of civilizations that banner around their religions. Not just India, around the world. If we are silent, we will further delink from our roots and become subdued pseudosecular misfits.
The same also is true for those who snarl at the varna-dharma (aka "caste system"). They must, for not every Brahmana has been like a 'kanchi acharya' (technically he is sannyasi, not brahmana). The manifest-misrepresentation, whatever be its causes, of the varna dharma must be challenged out-and-out. Our business is not to be offended or evade the matter but rather to rightly represent the ideals. We take note, realize the error, are chastised. We search back as to how it was, how it should be, where/why it worked, and why it failed. We search for inner reasons, educate ourselves and others, and live the ideal. We cannot expect a formal acceptance, but therein must come our detached sacrifice: do the sva-dharma and leave the rest to the Lord.
And a normal Hindu will not despise an "ideal Muslim", "ideal foreigner" or an "ideal Brahmana", ideal meaning that the person does not base his actions or distinction upon the high-low connotation. (But till that ideal is visibly the norm, practical caution is best maintained in public view.) So varna-dharma and the cultural elements rooted in that dharma have scope for survival, ideally-speaking.
Prabhu
June 28 2008, 20:22:16 UTC 3 years ago
As for hissing : it is good only if it protects you.
Anonymous
June 27 2008, 14:54:00 UTC 3 years ago
Prabhu
1. Paramacharya's position on Varna Dharma is uncompromising, as detailed in His discourses in Hindu Dharma, Part 20 - Chs. 1-17. He travelled for 40 years in all parts of India without returning to the Kanchi Matha/Peetham, almost always on foot, and had a first-hand perspective of the conditions everywhere. He squarely blamed the 'decay' of society on the abrogation of duties by the Brahmins. He has cited any number of examples from history to show the flourishing of dynasties (Chola, Pandya) and culture, where the varna dharma was practised and not just preached. He explained His role as a teacher of Shastra-s, whether the 'reformers' agreed with Him or not.
2. http://reconstruction.eserver.org/072/sa
3. Was the system ever practised in its 'ideal' state? To understand this you should read the vernacular literature in the south that was written before the end of the nineteenth century. One such is an autobiography, written in Tamil by U.V. Swaminatha Iyer, a great Tamil scholar, who had unearthed many ancient Tamil manuscripts and himself contributed many works. His autobiography ( a voluminous book) gives enough details which will answer your question that the Varna system was being practised well. I am not sure whether there is an English translation of his book.
Also read "Brahmin priest of Tamilnadu" by K. Subramaniam, (Wiley Eastern, New Delhi, 1974 ISBN 0 85226 848 3).
4. http://www.vedantavidyarthisangha.org/ta
http://www.avgsatsang.org/hhpsds/pdf/Dut
June 28 2008, 20:35:42 UTC 3 years ago
2. That article ( #2 ) only states what the author is trying to show in the book, so to know whether those claims are correct or not I will have to actually read the book. Hopefully the book isn't written by a horribly post-modernist-type person ( what jarring and painful language! ) as the dude who wrote the book.
3. Painful to procure the books.
4. I don't understand see if there is any connection between history and the "Duties_and_Conflicts" file. And it is too painful to view all those videos which are again, which I expect to be similar to the "Duties and Conflicts" file, low on historical information.
Anonymous
July 5 2008, 02:25:37 UTC 3 years ago
Yes, pain is necessary to find out.
Prabhu